Saturday was a night of lessons and adventure. I learned I can sarge despite feeling physically uncomfortable. I had some fun, longer sets with DJ R. I learned that solo, I can still do Jeffy twilight mode. Hitting up the street sets got me invited to a venue change to a bar I had never been before. On the ride there, I realized I had the chance to sarge a mini celebrity and despite missing the opportunity, I still gained some confidence.
Low energy & DJ R's height:
The night began with Nintendo never getting up from his nap. I waited and figured he was ditching me so I met up with DJ R. Nintendo later text me as he was getting up that he was so tired he ended up sleeping through till work. I was at a college's friend's place. He was having a final game day at his place as he's moving away in a month. I was stuffed from his tasty pastries he made himself, too much pizza, and booze. I felt like my stomach was about to explode, I felt hot from drinking and because it was too humid, and I felt low energy from being drunk. I met up with DJ R and his AFC buddy that never opens anyone and who wouldn't even let DJ R open some street sets at the end of the night.
DJ R tried to get me to open a set but I asked him to do it. He was stalling and I actually was about to go do it for him when he walked past me. It was brunette and some chubby girl. I said I'd talk the chubby one since he was opening. We ended up moving them to 7-11 and back. I saw how much shit DJ R gets because of his height. He's a really cool guy and I never realized how much his height is a factor. I believe he can work past it, but I was surprised how many comments people were throwing at him when he was walking arm in arm with the brunette. The brunette was only about my height but DJ R has gotta be like 5' or so tall. Jealous asshole guys who walked by would say dumb shit pointing out how short he was compared to the girl. He just blew ignored it but I never realized till tonight how much shit he has to deal with.
The thing DJ R does have to work on is ignoring guys who come into the set. We got back to the bar where we met them. I knew we were probably gonna lose the set as my girl was texting some dudes they were supposed to meet up with. I was just gonna stick with them anyway, but I also anticipated a problem at the bar as they had a stamp and I knew I was gonna have to wait in line. DJ R did have an advantage that stems from his height: the bouncers always remember him and let him in without waiting in line. We ended up losing them when we tried to go in, but right before that, this dorky guy with glasses came into the set. I just ignored him and talked to my girl, but DJ R let the girl engage him and didn't know how to get rid of the dude. I suppose I should have busted out the guy but at the time, I didn't have the energy and felt I was fine since the guy wasn't busting into my conversation.
Polish girl turn around:
This was a good example of the power of plowing. We opened this 2-set of Polish girls. DJ R's girl was friendly and they were having a good conversation. My girl was really cold and not responding much. I just kept talking and talking. The first time she really said anything, she said she wished she could hook up with the bartender. I just ignored it and plowed forward. Eventually, I had her smiling and she was actually talking about half of the time. DJ R wanted to leave and I left. I'd like to believe I could have gotten a number or maybe even totally hooked her given more time but I wasn't certain so I just left for greener pastures. I suppose maybe I could have tried the number close. Maybe I should have since I said I was following Tyler's method of taking any number of any remotely decent set. This qualified in that I spent all the time plowing but at the time I didn't think about taking the number.
Bachelorette kiss close:
I kissed this chubby girl in this bachelorette party. I'm finishing this report about 3 weeks after the fact. I kept procrastinating writing this and finally just decided to do a quick edit and post. I remember I wanted two other girls in this set but went for the easy target instead, which was dumb.
Gay guy and news reporter:
DJ R's AFC friend forced them all to leave before DJ R could run street game with me. I forced myself to start doing street approaches solo. I was all up on this chubby Irish girl and it seemed on at the beginning but then it fizzled. The highlight of the night was when I opened this 4 set. I ended up being introduced to this blonde gay guy and he venue changed all of us to this after hours place I had never been to before.
I remember thinking how this was an example of the cool shit that happens when I'm out, thanking to learning about sarging. Instead of ending my night, here I was checking out a new place. I ended up in a car with the gay guy and this cute 30 year old blonde. The conversation turned towards work and I found out the blonde was a TV on scene newsreporter for a local affiliate in Chicago. The guy started giving her shit because he didn't like the politics of the parent company of that news company.
What surprised me is that she fell completely into his frame and started massively qualifying herself. She was saying that she had to work at that job as it's the only way to break into something better, like 60 minutes. She talked about how sacrificing her job had cost her a marriage, etc.
We got to the after hours bar and the gay guy and I were at the entrance. The girl hadn't followed so I checked on her. She said she was waiting for the other girls and said I should just go in. I think she had been really upset by the conversation as the other girls came and I never saw her again. I think she ended up going home.
Missed my chance:
The woman was attractive and probably looks really hot on TV when she's completely made up. Here was a random chance to hook up with somebody that's on TV but I didn't take advantage of it. I'm puzzled that I didn't pick up during the ride that she didn't know the gay guy and only knew him through another girl in that circle. It makes so much sense now as I'm thinking about: he would have known her job if he was a friend.
Yes, the gay guy putting her into a bad mood sucked but thinking back, it actually offered me an opportunity. When I went outside to check on her, I should have put her arm around her and comforted her. I could have said, "It sounds like your passionate about your job despite the complaints you've had about it. You said you sacrificed so much for it, so you have no need to apologize or explain yourself to him about politics or an agenda that the corporation may or may not have over which you have no control."
Then, I'd could have tried to move her to a party mood after the emphatic bit and said something, "Anyway, it's Saturday night. Enough serious conversation. We still have some time to have fun. Come in and let's have a drink."
He's handsome:
I'll also remember this bit and I need to realize it more as I still doubt myself at times. Yes, looks don't really matter, but for some reason I often don't believe I'm a good looking guy anyway. I'm not a model of course, but I am attractive. Before the conversation turned negative, I want to talk about the early part of the cab ride. First, the gay guy started qualifying himself by saying he hoped he wasn't making me uncomfortable. I put my arm around him and said, "No, it's cool. I don't judge." Then, I mentioned how I had gone to the Pride parade. He talked about how he didn't go this year, but it would have been a good experience if he had a good looking guy like me with him. He said, "He's so handsome."
I don't really care if a gay guy is into me as it doesn't help me anyway as I want girls, but I should remember that the news reporter responded to this comment by saying, "Yeah, he is." A high value girl (in my eyes at least: on tv, smart, and an attractive blonde) thinks I'm handsome. Why the fuck do I sometimes doubt myself in the field?! I need just remember this reference experience when I'm having doubts.
Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Saturday, July 14, 2012
Needed a wing badly in Florida to get a redhead
I came down to visit my mother as my stepfather passed away. I was
out with an old friend in Atlanta two Thursdays ago and sarged there the
one night I was there. It was slow that night but I gave a good effort
and with a little more belief in myself, I might have made something
happen. Fast forward to tonight and I should be happy with what I was
able to do solo and after not sarging for a week.
Momentum does help and it felt different to go out after not being really social this week and not sarging at all. I might not have even gone out today but I went for a haircut and the barber was a young guy and he pointed me to this place called Ocala Entertainment Complex or OCE. When I get there, I had to wait in a super long line as they frisk every guy that goes in. I hated paying the $20 cover as I never pay that much in Chicago, but I was surprised to learn that the drinks are free. That makes up for the cover except I could only drink 3 beers as I had to drive home in 3 hours.
I found myself standing around ordering drinks and scoping things out. The club has a large country bar area with line dancing and a club area with hip hop music and a dance floor. For a brief moment, I worried I was gonna totally waste my $20 but I was able to relax. One thing that was totally different was that this place allowed 18-20 year old people to enter, but of course they couldn't drink. I need to hook up with an 18 year old at some point and maybe I can do that when I return here. I opened one girl who immediately told me, "I'm 18." I replied, "Hey, that's legal at least." She gave her friend the "rescue me" eyes, and I had fun with it. I learned from a Kincaid's set two weeks ago and I told the friend, "Hey, she's giving you the rescue me eyes" as the friend didn't even notice it right away.
Doubted myself for a few seconds twice:
There were only two sets that really stuck out. The first was this cute brunette that I clicked with in the country section. I had her hooked but then the friends wandered off. This would be my curse for the night as will be clear shortly. This brunette gave me the huge IOI when I friend came in early and suggested getting a drink and my girl decided to stay with me. When the whole group decided to go the club area, she had to follow.
I stalled a bit here even though I knew the right move. She said, "My friend are going to the club area." The correct move would have been to grab her hand and start leading that way and say, "Let's go with your friends to the club area." Instead, I knew she had to go. I hesitated for a few seconds and thensaid, "Let's go." I started to walk with her but I didn't do it in a confident way and she had gotten ahead of me, so I didn't follow. Sadly, I didn't see her again in the club area. She was probably on the dance floor most of the time. I would have opened her again for sure had I seen here.
The real set of the night was this frustrating two set with a chubby red head and this cute, thin brunette. I was standing in the club area when this two set stopped near me. I quickly opened this redhead as I love redheads. She was a little fat but as I always say, I have a fetish for natural redheads so I wanted her more than the cute brunette friend. As I was talking to the redhead, some guy started dancing up on the friend. The redhead gave him a look of disgust.
This was an example of how the stronger frame wins. I don't think he even saw the look she gave him; if he saw it, he ignored her. He danced up on the friend and the friend started to get into it. In about 10 seconds, the redhead's disgust turned to attraction. She started dancing in front of him so he was sandwiched between the two of them.
Manning up:
I was amused how she was initially disgusted and then she liked the guy. I sat dumbfounded for a second and then I got in the right mindset. She had her back to the guy. I moved over and started dancing in front of her. She liked this and moved up on me. The other guy than ran off, but fortunately, some other guy started dancing with the friend.
I was thinking, "Wow this is perfect. I have another guy occupying the friend and she seems to like him."
The redhead turned and started really grinding her ass into me. I put my hands on her hips initially and then I started spanking her ass a few times and I moved my hands onto her hands. I moved my hands up and down her arms. I moved her hair to the side and blew into her ear. I turned her around so I would be leading and gave her some stimulation with my leg. I later turned he back around and when I touched her hair, she helped me by moving her hair to the side. I was getting ready to try to move things towards a kiss but then suddenly the other guy ran off. The friend even gave this puzzled look when he ran off.
I need a wing badly:
I had talked to some guys earlier and one guy had helped me wing a set. I lost them and when I found them later, I couldn't find my set. It was frustrating. I went back to my redhead two different times and got positive responses both times. I should have engaged the friend more, but I was struggling to balance making sure I had her hooked when I returned and being able to talk to the friend. In both cases, the friend walked off and my girl had to leave.
I'm thinking that maybe I should have just resorted to just following them. It's not ideal but 2-sets solo is never a good situation. The only time it works is if the friend just wanders off because she is letting her friend hook up. I kept beating myself up on the drive home that I couldn't make this happen but I need to remember that Mystery has even said 2-sets without a wing are bad.
Don't browbeat yourself;
Tyler says this and I often violate it. I know I should be happy with my night. I hadn't sarged in a week yet I pushed myself. I hooked two sets and tried with a bunch of other girls including this smoking hot blonde. I regret that I didn't approach a few other hot girls but two were in 2-sets, so I can cut myself slack on that. The other was in a big mixed set but I still could have went in to scope things out.
That redhead was hooked and if I had a few more songs I would have likely gotten an easy make out on the dance floor. I know if I had Nintendo or 2j this set might have been a pull opportunity. The friend was cute enough that they would have enjoyed winging her and I had my fetish girl, a real redhead.
I had a chance to try a 3rd time near the end of the night when I saw them in the country area. I was trying to find a wing to help me and then I couldn't find them again. I give myself props for looking for them when the place closed as I was gonna make a last ditch pull attempt.
At the same time, I felt like a loser when I was standing by myself as everyone was leaving the club. I wanted to do some Jeffy moves but there weren't any solo girls and I didn't have the nerve at the time to go into a 3-set and try fast escalation.
Anyway, again, I can be happy that I made the effort and had decent results. I'm sure this will help me on Saturday as I now have some momentum going into Atlanta sarging.
Momentum does help and it felt different to go out after not being really social this week and not sarging at all. I might not have even gone out today but I went for a haircut and the barber was a young guy and he pointed me to this place called Ocala Entertainment Complex or OCE. When I get there, I had to wait in a super long line as they frisk every guy that goes in. I hated paying the $20 cover as I never pay that much in Chicago, but I was surprised to learn that the drinks are free. That makes up for the cover except I could only drink 3 beers as I had to drive home in 3 hours.
I found myself standing around ordering drinks and scoping things out. The club has a large country bar area with line dancing and a club area with hip hop music and a dance floor. For a brief moment, I worried I was gonna totally waste my $20 but I was able to relax. One thing that was totally different was that this place allowed 18-20 year old people to enter, but of course they couldn't drink. I need to hook up with an 18 year old at some point and maybe I can do that when I return here. I opened one girl who immediately told me, "I'm 18." I replied, "Hey, that's legal at least." She gave her friend the "rescue me" eyes, and I had fun with it. I learned from a Kincaid's set two weeks ago and I told the friend, "Hey, she's giving you the rescue me eyes" as the friend didn't even notice it right away.
Doubted myself for a few seconds twice:
There were only two sets that really stuck out. The first was this cute brunette that I clicked with in the country section. I had her hooked but then the friends wandered off. This would be my curse for the night as will be clear shortly. This brunette gave me the huge IOI when I friend came in early and suggested getting a drink and my girl decided to stay with me. When the whole group decided to go the club area, she had to follow.
I stalled a bit here even though I knew the right move. She said, "My friend are going to the club area." The correct move would have been to grab her hand and start leading that way and say, "Let's go with your friends to the club area." Instead, I knew she had to go. I hesitated for a few seconds and thensaid, "Let's go." I started to walk with her but I didn't do it in a confident way and she had gotten ahead of me, so I didn't follow. Sadly, I didn't see her again in the club area. She was probably on the dance floor most of the time. I would have opened her again for sure had I seen here.
The real set of the night was this frustrating two set with a chubby red head and this cute, thin brunette. I was standing in the club area when this two set stopped near me. I quickly opened this redhead as I love redheads. She was a little fat but as I always say, I have a fetish for natural redheads so I wanted her more than the cute brunette friend. As I was talking to the redhead, some guy started dancing up on the friend. The redhead gave him a look of disgust.
This was an example of how the stronger frame wins. I don't think he even saw the look she gave him; if he saw it, he ignored her. He danced up on the friend and the friend started to get into it. In about 10 seconds, the redhead's disgust turned to attraction. She started dancing in front of him so he was sandwiched between the two of them.
Manning up:
I was amused how she was initially disgusted and then she liked the guy. I sat dumbfounded for a second and then I got in the right mindset. She had her back to the guy. I moved over and started dancing in front of her. She liked this and moved up on me. The other guy than ran off, but fortunately, some other guy started dancing with the friend.
I was thinking, "Wow this is perfect. I have another guy occupying the friend and she seems to like him."
The redhead turned and started really grinding her ass into me. I put my hands on her hips initially and then I started spanking her ass a few times and I moved my hands onto her hands. I moved my hands up and down her arms. I moved her hair to the side and blew into her ear. I turned her around so I would be leading and gave her some stimulation with my leg. I later turned he back around and when I touched her hair, she helped me by moving her hair to the side. I was getting ready to try to move things towards a kiss but then suddenly the other guy ran off. The friend even gave this puzzled look when he ran off.
I need a wing badly:
I had talked to some guys earlier and one guy had helped me wing a set. I lost them and when I found them later, I couldn't find my set. It was frustrating. I went back to my redhead two different times and got positive responses both times. I should have engaged the friend more, but I was struggling to balance making sure I had her hooked when I returned and being able to talk to the friend. In both cases, the friend walked off and my girl had to leave.
I'm thinking that maybe I should have just resorted to just following them. It's not ideal but 2-sets solo is never a good situation. The only time it works is if the friend just wanders off because she is letting her friend hook up. I kept beating myself up on the drive home that I couldn't make this happen but I need to remember that Mystery has even said 2-sets without a wing are bad.
Don't browbeat yourself;
Tyler says this and I often violate it. I know I should be happy with my night. I hadn't sarged in a week yet I pushed myself. I hooked two sets and tried with a bunch of other girls including this smoking hot blonde. I regret that I didn't approach a few other hot girls but two were in 2-sets, so I can cut myself slack on that. The other was in a big mixed set but I still could have went in to scope things out.
That redhead was hooked and if I had a few more songs I would have likely gotten an easy make out on the dance floor. I know if I had Nintendo or 2j this set might have been a pull opportunity. The friend was cute enough that they would have enjoyed winging her and I had my fetish girl, a real redhead.
I had a chance to try a 3rd time near the end of the night when I saw them in the country area. I was trying to find a wing to help me and then I couldn't find them again. I give myself props for looking for them when the place closed as I was gonna make a last ditch pull attempt.
At the same time, I felt like a loser when I was standing by myself as everyone was leaving the club. I wanted to do some Jeffy moves but there weren't any solo girls and I didn't have the nerve at the time to go into a 3-set and try fast escalation.
Anyway, again, I can be happy that I made the effort and had decent results. I'm sure this will help me on Saturday as I now have some momentum going into Atlanta sarging.
Sunday, July 1, 2012
Tall girl positive references experiences
Thinking about how this tall girl liked me Friday made me want to remember positive experiences I've had with tall girls. I know height doesn't matter; I just need to act normal and be confident. I love the tall girls and it's sometimes hard to feel entitled as I've never hooked up with a girl taller than 5'8". Also, tall girls are just intimidating; even tall guys report being intimidated by them. I'm getting more comfortable with them, and I think reminding myself of my positive experiences will further help me feel entitled.
When I was a total AFC in college, this 6 foot tall blonde liked me. I screwed it up of course, but it's huge that with no game, a girl that tall liked me even then. Another positive reference point was when I was with G at the Adler Planetarium. We worked one of the few two sets there. He number closed this brunette and I number closed this older blonde who was really tall: I'm talking over 6 feet, like maybe 6'2". I didn't even realize how tall she was when I was sarging her as we were sitting down. I was shocked when she stood up. That might have gone somewhere, but that's right about when I had one of my low points where I quit sarging and just stayed at home so I never followed through beyond texts. She wanted to meet up with me to play tennis but we never did.
I remember a really tall Polish girl that I number closed on Division years ago. I text her once and nothing happened. The strange thing was that I ran into her again a few weeks later. She remembered me and was so excited to see me. Of course, I fucked it up later, but it still sticks with me how excited she was to see me again.
Recently, I had immediately hooked this tall redhead in front of Paris Club. I wrote about it the other day. It's the set where I had her instantly hooked and was holding her hands and it was so on that the cockblock friend actually asked me if I knew her. I wrote that I screwed up by hesitating and she physically pulled my girl away.
Finally, I have the set I wrote about in the last post.
When I was a total AFC in college, this 6 foot tall blonde liked me. I screwed it up of course, but it's huge that with no game, a girl that tall liked me even then. Another positive reference point was when I was with G at the Adler Planetarium. We worked one of the few two sets there. He number closed this brunette and I number closed this older blonde who was really tall: I'm talking over 6 feet, like maybe 6'2". I didn't even realize how tall she was when I was sarging her as we were sitting down. I was shocked when she stood up. That might have gone somewhere, but that's right about when I had one of my low points where I quit sarging and just stayed at home so I never followed through beyond texts. She wanted to meet up with me to play tennis but we never did.
I remember a really tall Polish girl that I number closed on Division years ago. I text her once and nothing happened. The strange thing was that I ran into her again a few weeks later. She remembered me and was so excited to see me. Of course, I fucked it up later, but it still sticks with me how excited she was to see me again.
Recently, I had immediately hooked this tall redhead in front of Paris Club. I wrote about it the other day. It's the set where I had her instantly hooked and was holding her hands and it was so on that the cockblock friend actually asked me if I knew her. I wrote that I screwed up by hesitating and she physically pulled my girl away.
Finally, I have the set I wrote about in the last post.
This is a grown woman...
Nintendo, in a loud, breaking rapport voice said to this cockblocking friend, "This is a grown woman. She can walk away anytime she wants. She doesn't need you to tell her. Now leave us alone."
That move finally got this cockblock friend and some dorky AFC to leave Nintendo alone. This was after his roommate PUA and I distracted the friends for a good 5 minutes. Nintendo had this blonde massively hooked on Friday. There was this chubby friend and a dorky Asian AFC that kept interrupting. Nintendo's roommate, who I'll called "Roomy" immediately started talking to the cockblock friend. I came in to assist. Roomy had the girl distracted for a bit, but then the Asian guy kept butting in. He wasn't alpha, but he had the cockblock's attention as he was apparently a close friend.
At one point, Roomy asked me to talk to the guy. The guy reminded me too much of my old AFC friend and I can't really talk to guys like that. I can talk to cool guys, but not chumps. I usually just ignore AFC's but I can tool them too. I know tooling is bad in this type of situation and I proved it here. Roomy had lost their attention and it looked like Asian AFC was trying to get the cockblock to pull the girl off Nintendo again. I jumped in and said to the Asian guy, "Haha, look at you. Do you have some secret crush on her that you never told her about? Why can't you leave them alone?" Of course, it was like a sent a dagger right through his heart (heck, it was probably true as well, that's how AFC's are: he was friends with these girls because he probably figured it was the only way he could get them cause he has no game and shows no intent with girls). The girl noticed that I made him uncomfortable and she felt sorry for him. She put her arm on him and said to me, "Hey, this is a really good friend."
I laughed and told Roomy, "See, I can't deal with chumps. I end up tooling them and look at this."
Earlier I fell into the cockblock's frame:
Earlier in the night, I needed to have the frame Nintendo had with that set. I had opened this tall brunette who was part of a bachelorette party. I had her hooked and I have to say it was cool having this girl leaning over so I could talk into her ear. We were vibing well. I tried to move her downstairs, but of course, she didn't want to leave the bride-to-be. The bridge-to-be then grabbed my girl's hand and starting dancing with her. I knew I couldn't interfere here so I just danced next to them. The real move would have been to start dancing with all the girls. That would have been money but I didn't have the state and/or confidence to pull that move off at the time. My plan was to wait and to look like I was having fun.
After two songs, the bride-to-be let go of my target's hands and started dancing with another girl. I then moved in and grabbed my girl's hand and started dancing with her. She seemed okay with it, but I also wasn't completely comfortable.
Suddenly, this chubby blonde in the party said, "She's not interested. Go away."
As I wasn't completely comfortable, "I let go and wandered off."
Wow, I feel like a chump and still do now when I think about this. I fell completely into her frame. I know it was because I wasn't completely comfortable and I wonder if she picked up on that. Regardless, I needed to ignore the cockblock friend. I know she's trying to protect her friend. Fine. I also know that this brunette was into me. It's funny that I can ignore cockblock guys, but I can think of two instances in the last week where I let the friends pull me out of state. I think it's because I know the friends can read their friend's body language. At the same time, I know when a girl is into me. I know when she is signaling the friends to rescue her and in both cases I'm thinking about, that did not happen.
I wasn't a real man there. A real man wouldn't be so easily flustered. I needed to stay in that set and ignore the friend. At least I learned a valuable lesson from Friday night here that will help me in the future.
That move finally got this cockblock friend and some dorky AFC to leave Nintendo alone. This was after his roommate PUA and I distracted the friends for a good 5 minutes. Nintendo had this blonde massively hooked on Friday. There was this chubby friend and a dorky Asian AFC that kept interrupting. Nintendo's roommate, who I'll called "Roomy" immediately started talking to the cockblock friend. I came in to assist. Roomy had the girl distracted for a bit, but then the Asian guy kept butting in. He wasn't alpha, but he had the cockblock's attention as he was apparently a close friend.
At one point, Roomy asked me to talk to the guy. The guy reminded me too much of my old AFC friend and I can't really talk to guys like that. I can talk to cool guys, but not chumps. I usually just ignore AFC's but I can tool them too. I know tooling is bad in this type of situation and I proved it here. Roomy had lost their attention and it looked like Asian AFC was trying to get the cockblock to pull the girl off Nintendo again. I jumped in and said to the Asian guy, "Haha, look at you. Do you have some secret crush on her that you never told her about? Why can't you leave them alone?" Of course, it was like a sent a dagger right through his heart (heck, it was probably true as well, that's how AFC's are: he was friends with these girls because he probably figured it was the only way he could get them cause he has no game and shows no intent with girls). The girl noticed that I made him uncomfortable and she felt sorry for him. She put her arm on him and said to me, "Hey, this is a really good friend."
I laughed and told Roomy, "See, I can't deal with chumps. I end up tooling them and look at this."
Earlier I fell into the cockblock's frame:
Earlier in the night, I needed to have the frame Nintendo had with that set. I had opened this tall brunette who was part of a bachelorette party. I had her hooked and I have to say it was cool having this girl leaning over so I could talk into her ear. We were vibing well. I tried to move her downstairs, but of course, she didn't want to leave the bride-to-be. The bridge-to-be then grabbed my girl's hand and starting dancing with her. I knew I couldn't interfere here so I just danced next to them. The real move would have been to start dancing with all the girls. That would have been money but I didn't have the state and/or confidence to pull that move off at the time. My plan was to wait and to look like I was having fun.
After two songs, the bride-to-be let go of my target's hands and started dancing with another girl. I then moved in and grabbed my girl's hand and started dancing with her. She seemed okay with it, but I also wasn't completely comfortable.
Suddenly, this chubby blonde in the party said, "She's not interested. Go away."
As I wasn't completely comfortable, "I let go and wandered off."
Wow, I feel like a chump and still do now when I think about this. I fell completely into her frame. I know it was because I wasn't completely comfortable and I wonder if she picked up on that. Regardless, I needed to ignore the cockblock friend. I know she's trying to protect her friend. Fine. I also know that this brunette was into me. It's funny that I can ignore cockblock guys, but I can think of two instances in the last week where I let the friends pull me out of state. I think it's because I know the friends can read their friend's body language. At the same time, I know when a girl is into me. I know when she is signaling the friends to rescue her and in both cases I'm thinking about, that did not happen.
I wasn't a real man there. A real man wouldn't be so easily flustered. I needed to stay in that set and ignore the friend. At least I learned a valuable lesson from Friday night here that will help me in the future.
Friday, June 29, 2012
Uneventful Kiss and Number Close & Sarging ego
I went out to this South Side place I've been wanting to check out for Thursdays. I had been told it's busy for ladies night but it wasn't that crowded. As the venue is huge, there were still a lot of sets. My favorite were these two Polish girls but I only lasted a few minutes with them. I was with this Asian wing who's screen name I don't know. Our best set was two Greek girls. It's funny that he walked away from the set. I thought he busted out, but I stayed in because the set was going decently. I talked to the friend and I found out my wing just walked away. She wanted to talk to him and asked me to bring him back. He told me that she was giving one word answers but I told him to come back in. I probably should have number closed my girl. I talked some more when I returned with the wing but then they had to go to the bathroom. I'm used to that being a bust out but I didn't feel like I actually busted out so maybe I should have approached them again when I saw them by the live band.
The wing was annoying because he kept complaining that the girls weren't friendly and this was a bad venue for him. Nintendo had it right in a text, "It's never the venue." You just have to keep approaching and try to get yourself in the right mind set.
We left and went to hit Division bars. My best set of the night was with this Irish girl: yes, my favorite, an actual girl from Ireland who's here for the summer and has the accent. I opened her because she had the free popcorn in front of her. I just grabbed some and starting talking to her. We seemed to have some chemistry so I sat next to her. My kino and conversation was good. I felt early on that I should probably kiss her but I stalled again. My other mistake was that I should have moved her to the dance floor even though the place is basically one room. I sensed I was stalling and when I saw that, I should have moved her by her friends.
In any case, I decided to number close as Tyler's post suggested. (If I actually had been following that, I should have number closed the Greek girls too). She gave me her number and then I talked a bit more even though she said she had to hang out with her friends. I then kissed her for like a sec at the end. I should have gone for it earlier, but whatever.
Ego:
It's funny that my Asian wing was giving me props but it just felt like a normal number close. Nothing I get too excited about. He seems to think my game is shitty because he hasn't really seen me have some amazing sets when I'm around him. I'm dumb in that I can tell my ego is still involved when it shouldn't be as I get frustrated when he gives me advice about tonality. He's right in that I should have better tonality and I should talk slower, but that's not a massive sticking point. My sticking point right now involves pulling and fully escalating on the girls I get in my bed here. If I improve tonality, it might help say 1-2% now, but I have larger problems to work on.
My other ego issue is that I know he thinks 2j has some god level of game. 2j has better advanced game in that he probably wouldn't have screwed up the escalation that I have recently and he just has more experience pulling. It's new territory for me. 2j biggest problem is he doesn't force himself to approach enough and that's especially true with hot girls. With HB9's, he admits he doesn't act the same as he does with 7's. His 7 game of number closing and going for Day 2's is solid. Anyway, I don't care about comparing game levels because I really do believe that we each have to progress at our own pace. What bothers me is that I feel like he probably doesn't take my advice because he thinks my game is at some lower level when it isn't. Also, he doesn't realize that I'm in the middle of a breakthrough and I'm progressing every day and his advice about little things somewhat challenges my state, though I'm good at usually not letting it bother me. At the same time, if 2j gave him the same advice, this wing would eat it up like it came from an instructor.
I just feel like it's a struggle I don't need to deal with but I can tell it's also my ego coming in as well. I also think that this wing doesn't understand how most nights go. We're not instructors. It's not awesome game with sets every night like you'd expect from an instructor.
Again, I feel dumb that this even bothers me. He only has knowledge of a few of the events of the past two week so why do I even care that he views me to be at a newer level than my real skill level? Who gives a shit...
The wing was annoying because he kept complaining that the girls weren't friendly and this was a bad venue for him. Nintendo had it right in a text, "It's never the venue." You just have to keep approaching and try to get yourself in the right mind set.
We left and went to hit Division bars. My best set of the night was with this Irish girl: yes, my favorite, an actual girl from Ireland who's here for the summer and has the accent. I opened her because she had the free popcorn in front of her. I just grabbed some and starting talking to her. We seemed to have some chemistry so I sat next to her. My kino and conversation was good. I felt early on that I should probably kiss her but I stalled again. My other mistake was that I should have moved her to the dance floor even though the place is basically one room. I sensed I was stalling and when I saw that, I should have moved her by her friends.
In any case, I decided to number close as Tyler's post suggested. (If I actually had been following that, I should have number closed the Greek girls too). She gave me her number and then I talked a bit more even though she said she had to hang out with her friends. I then kissed her for like a sec at the end. I should have gone for it earlier, but whatever.
Ego:
It's funny that my Asian wing was giving me props but it just felt like a normal number close. Nothing I get too excited about. He seems to think my game is shitty because he hasn't really seen me have some amazing sets when I'm around him. I'm dumb in that I can tell my ego is still involved when it shouldn't be as I get frustrated when he gives me advice about tonality. He's right in that I should have better tonality and I should talk slower, but that's not a massive sticking point. My sticking point right now involves pulling and fully escalating on the girls I get in my bed here. If I improve tonality, it might help say 1-2% now, but I have larger problems to work on.
My other ego issue is that I know he thinks 2j has some god level of game. 2j has better advanced game in that he probably wouldn't have screwed up the escalation that I have recently and he just has more experience pulling. It's new territory for me. 2j biggest problem is he doesn't force himself to approach enough and that's especially true with hot girls. With HB9's, he admits he doesn't act the same as he does with 7's. His 7 game of number closing and going for Day 2's is solid. Anyway, I don't care about comparing game levels because I really do believe that we each have to progress at our own pace. What bothers me is that I feel like he probably doesn't take my advice because he thinks my game is at some lower level when it isn't. Also, he doesn't realize that I'm in the middle of a breakthrough and I'm progressing every day and his advice about little things somewhat challenges my state, though I'm good at usually not letting it bother me. At the same time, if 2j gave him the same advice, this wing would eat it up like it came from an instructor.
I just feel like it's a struggle I don't need to deal with but I can tell it's also my ego coming in as well. I also think that this wing doesn't understand how most nights go. We're not instructors. It's not awesome game with sets every night like you'd expect from an instructor.
Again, I feel dumb that this even bothers me. He only has knowledge of a few of the events of the past two week so why do I even care that he views me to be at a newer level than my real skill level? Who gives a shit...
Thursday, June 28, 2012
Inexperience with lukewarm pulls
I was trying to figure out why I've been screwing up at escalation lately. The sister (Hat girl) and Promo were just poor escalation. I got token resistance from Hat girl and no real resistance except thinking Promo girl fell sleep. I stopped escalating in both cases before a big sexual move would have defined the interaction. I realized I was playing it safe and costing myself lays. I think about when I got my first girlfriend as and AFC and messed around with a neighbor of mine, I at least got some firm "No's" before I stopped escalation. I know what a firm "No" looks like and in both these cases, I wasn't there with Hat girl and Promo.
I was thinking about the pulls or the extraction to a sexual location (I'm using MM terms to distinguish between the few SNL's I have, which is the prior, and lays that I got from Day2's plus,which is what I mean by the later). I think a big difference is that those lays were with girls that I were really into at the time. In addition, those girls were really into me and responding enthusiastically to my escalations, even if they gave me hard "No's" a few times before I actually ended up having sex with them.
As the titled says, I think my problem has been that I'm inexperienced with lukewarm pulls. Well, I have little pull experience in general, but in all the times I've pulled prior to the last three weeks, the sets were super on. Only two of those super on pulls failed to result in a lay. The 4 pulls I had in the past two weeks were with girls where the chemistry wasn't great between us. I wanted to fuck them, but it just wasn't super on.
I realize that because my game wasn't as evolved in the past, I'd only get a pull when a girl was totally into me. Even the pulls where I got the girls over but didn't get laid were super on prior to that. Hat girl and Promo were just on the edge of becoming sexual, yet I wasn't super into them. I fantasized about fucking Promo in all kinds of positions because she was thin but I didn't have the it's on feeling between us. My big breakthrough two weeks ago has allowed me to get girls to come to my house that I'm not totally into and I'm not use to the escalation that arises.
I realize that yes, girls can decide to have sex with me without there being super chemistry between us. It's an interesting realization. Part of me wants to think that something has been lost when I lack the raw excitement that I used to get on the way to the lay. On the other hand, why should I think negatively when Promo girl might have been a big chemistry lay if she hadn't had the boyfriend, and Hat girl might have been more on if she hadn't been tired and if I hadn't gotten her to my bed before I really got rapport with her. The lukewarm pulls could turn into great chemistry after the lay as well (as reported by community people).
I'm learning from my mistakes again. I know I"ll continue to get pulls and hopefully I'll get this escalation problem fixed so I can write lay reports instead of near lay pull reports. I think this post was a big step forward in recognizing some of my issues.
I was thinking about the pulls or the extraction to a sexual location (I'm using MM terms to distinguish between the few SNL's I have, which is the prior, and lays that I got from Day2's plus,which is what I mean by the later). I think a big difference is that those lays were with girls that I were really into at the time. In addition, those girls were really into me and responding enthusiastically to my escalations, even if they gave me hard "No's" a few times before I actually ended up having sex with them.
As the titled says, I think my problem has been that I'm inexperienced with lukewarm pulls. Well, I have little pull experience in general, but in all the times I've pulled prior to the last three weeks, the sets were super on. Only two of those super on pulls failed to result in a lay. The 4 pulls I had in the past two weeks were with girls where the chemistry wasn't great between us. I wanted to fuck them, but it just wasn't super on.
I realize that because my game wasn't as evolved in the past, I'd only get a pull when a girl was totally into me. Even the pulls where I got the girls over but didn't get laid were super on prior to that. Hat girl and Promo were just on the edge of becoming sexual, yet I wasn't super into them. I fantasized about fucking Promo in all kinds of positions because she was thin but I didn't have the it's on feeling between us. My big breakthrough two weeks ago has allowed me to get girls to come to my house that I'm not totally into and I'm not use to the escalation that arises.
I realize that yes, girls can decide to have sex with me without there being super chemistry between us. It's an interesting realization. Part of me wants to think that something has been lost when I lack the raw excitement that I used to get on the way to the lay. On the other hand, why should I think negatively when Promo girl might have been a big chemistry lay if she hadn't had the boyfriend, and Hat girl might have been more on if she hadn't been tired and if I hadn't gotten her to my bed before I really got rapport with her. The lukewarm pulls could turn into great chemistry after the lay as well (as reported by community people).
I'm learning from my mistakes again. I know I"ll continue to get pulls and hopefully I'll get this escalation problem fixed so I can write lay reports instead of near lay pull reports. I think this post was a big step forward in recognizing some of my issues.
Promo pull: The escalation fuck up
We got home and we ate the White Castles on the couch. I had opened up the bottle of wine that I had. We were sitting on separate couches, so when I got up to get another burger, I went and sat next to her. I think I waited to long to escalate as I remember her sitting back on the couch after we were done eating. She asked if I could recline the chair. I showed her how to and she said, "I'm gonna go to sleep now."
Keep persisting:
I might have given up, but at least I keep persisting now. I told her, "Do you wanna change? I have a pair of girl's shorts and I can give you a shirt to wear." She agreed to change. My plan was to try to get her to let me give her a real massage with oil, but I never got to try that. She came out and was asking where she could sleep. I was taking a sheet out of the dryer and I let her to the spare bedroom. I set up the bed and then she gave me a hug and said, "Good night. Thank you for the hospitality."
This is another point where I normally would have given up. After the hug, I started massaging her neck. We sat down on the bed and I continued and somehow we transitioned to her lying face down on the pillow and me massage her.
Nintendo says escalate more:
Here is where I think the fuck up occurred and Nintendo was the one who pointed out to me that I might have gotten laid if I had persisted a little more. My analysis is that the existence of the boyfriend is what prevent me from the lay. He was a big obstacle but Nintendo would later convince me that I almost had this lay. Even if I didn't get the lay, I had missed a big move that would have determined if the lay would be possible or not. I had quit one step too soon. This wasn't as bad as the one sister being in my bed and me not getting the lay but I still am lacking in my final escalation game.
I remember massaging her arms, back and legs. I was blowing into her ear, nibbling on her ears, and kissing and maybe biting her neck. (I don't remember if I bit her neck, but I probably did as that's part of my escalating stack that I always do.) I remember that she seemed like she had fallen asleep. The thing is that I remember seeing her eyes open shortly after I thought she was asleep.
Nintendo's point was that I played it too safe. I needed to move the massage to her ass and then to her tits. If she didn't resist the ass massage and let me touch her tits, then I needed to get on top of her and press my erection on her ass as I kissed her neck and face. I also could have just started touching her pussy from behind if she was comfortable with the tit and ass massage. She was wearing the shorts I gave her which would have allowed easy access as well.
Take responsibility: she's gonna pretend to be asleep:
Nintendo had told me this about the sister set from last Wednesday. I said I had missed the lay because the sister had fallen asleep. He says she might have been tired, but she could have been testing me to see if I was gonna persist and make it happen. In both cases, the girls might have been seeing if I was gonna make this lay my responsibility so they could say to themselves, "Sex just happened." With the sister set, I was really dumb as I had grabbed her breast and she hadn't resisted. All I had to do was pull out a nipple and start nibbling on it. If she let me do that, I likely would have fucked her. At the very least, I would have know for sure if I could have gotten the lay or not as she would have given me a firm objection if she didn't want to go any further.
This situation was similar. Even if she had fallen asleep, she would have noticed me touching her tits and ass and then pussy. If she didn't want to fuck at all, she would have let me know. If she let me do those things, she would have gotten even more turned on and we probably would have had sex. At the very least, we would have had some sexual contact.
I don't know why I didn't touch her ass and find out. I guess it what was what Tyler said. I actually am a nice guy and was empathizing with her. A jerk might/would have gotten laid as he would have tried the escalation and not worried about possible boyfriend guilt or her possibly being asleep.
Cuddling:
A few minutes later, it was obvious that she was asleep as she was snoring. Thinking back, she probably wasn't asleep when I stopped escalating. I cuddled with her when I stopped and she didn't resist that at all. I remember we both woke up several times before getting up for the day. I wondered if she'd freak out that we were laying and cuddling. My fears were put to rest when I noticed her wake up one time, and then move so she could be in a position where her arm was touching my arm and my arm on her legs.
Daybreak and being sober ends it all:
When she got up, she wanted to use the laptop. That was a mistake. She wouldn't get off facebook even when I put on the movie later. Part of the problem was that she does use facebook to do her promo job. Nintendo was probably right that I was letting her control the frame. I could have had her cut it out.
I was hungry so I had her come along as I picked up a pizza and beer. I was hoping she'd get drunk again but she only drank the one beer when we came back. I had put on this movie, but after she ate the pizza, she got on facebook again and stayed on it for the entire 2 hours of Captain America. I tried to escalate here but she wouldn't let me get far. She let me put my arm around her, but when I went to hold her hand, she resisted.
I tried a few more times to escalate before just conceding I had fucked up and telling her I was going to take a nap until traffic was over.
Keep persisting:
I might have given up, but at least I keep persisting now. I told her, "Do you wanna change? I have a pair of girl's shorts and I can give you a shirt to wear." She agreed to change. My plan was to try to get her to let me give her a real massage with oil, but I never got to try that. She came out and was asking where she could sleep. I was taking a sheet out of the dryer and I let her to the spare bedroom. I set up the bed and then she gave me a hug and said, "Good night. Thank you for the hospitality."
This is another point where I normally would have given up. After the hug, I started massaging her neck. We sat down on the bed and I continued and somehow we transitioned to her lying face down on the pillow and me massage her.
Nintendo says escalate more:
Here is where I think the fuck up occurred and Nintendo was the one who pointed out to me that I might have gotten laid if I had persisted a little more. My analysis is that the existence of the boyfriend is what prevent me from the lay. He was a big obstacle but Nintendo would later convince me that I almost had this lay. Even if I didn't get the lay, I had missed a big move that would have determined if the lay would be possible or not. I had quit one step too soon. This wasn't as bad as the one sister being in my bed and me not getting the lay but I still am lacking in my final escalation game.
I remember massaging her arms, back and legs. I was blowing into her ear, nibbling on her ears, and kissing and maybe biting her neck. (I don't remember if I bit her neck, but I probably did as that's part of my escalating stack that I always do.) I remember that she seemed like she had fallen asleep. The thing is that I remember seeing her eyes open shortly after I thought she was asleep.
Nintendo's point was that I played it too safe. I needed to move the massage to her ass and then to her tits. If she didn't resist the ass massage and let me touch her tits, then I needed to get on top of her and press my erection on her ass as I kissed her neck and face. I also could have just started touching her pussy from behind if she was comfortable with the tit and ass massage. She was wearing the shorts I gave her which would have allowed easy access as well.
Take responsibility: she's gonna pretend to be asleep:
Nintendo had told me this about the sister set from last Wednesday. I said I had missed the lay because the sister had fallen asleep. He says she might have been tired, but she could have been testing me to see if I was gonna persist and make it happen. In both cases, the girls might have been seeing if I was gonna make this lay my responsibility so they could say to themselves, "Sex just happened." With the sister set, I was really dumb as I had grabbed her breast and she hadn't resisted. All I had to do was pull out a nipple and start nibbling on it. If she let me do that, I likely would have fucked her. At the very least, I would have know for sure if I could have gotten the lay or not as she would have given me a firm objection if she didn't want to go any further.
This situation was similar. Even if she had fallen asleep, she would have noticed me touching her tits and ass and then pussy. If she didn't want to fuck at all, she would have let me know. If she let me do those things, she would have gotten even more turned on and we probably would have had sex. At the very least, we would have had some sexual contact.
I don't know why I didn't touch her ass and find out. I guess it what was what Tyler said. I actually am a nice guy and was empathizing with her. A jerk might/would have gotten laid as he would have tried the escalation and not worried about possible boyfriend guilt or her possibly being asleep.
Cuddling:
A few minutes later, it was obvious that she was asleep as she was snoring. Thinking back, she probably wasn't asleep when I stopped escalating. I cuddled with her when I stopped and she didn't resist that at all. I remember we both woke up several times before getting up for the day. I wondered if she'd freak out that we were laying and cuddling. My fears were put to rest when I noticed her wake up one time, and then move so she could be in a position where her arm was touching my arm and my arm on her legs.
Daybreak and being sober ends it all:
When she got up, she wanted to use the laptop. That was a mistake. She wouldn't get off facebook even when I put on the movie later. Part of the problem was that she does use facebook to do her promo job. Nintendo was probably right that I was letting her control the frame. I could have had her cut it out.
I was hungry so I had her come along as I picked up a pizza and beer. I was hoping she'd get drunk again but she only drank the one beer when we came back. I had put on this movie, but after she ate the pizza, she got on facebook again and stayed on it for the entire 2 hours of Captain America. I tried to escalate here but she wouldn't let me get far. She let me put my arm around her, but when I went to hold her hand, she resisted.
I tried a few more times to escalate before just conceding I had fucked up and telling her I was going to take a nap until traffic was over.
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