There's not much to write about today. I opened a ton of sets. I opened some sets on the dance floor. I looked cool but didn't get anywhere with those sets. I must come across high value as two different sets wanted to take pictures with me.
Blonde Bartender:
We saw this set making out with some dude outside. I knew when I opened her that she was high buying temperature. I think I fucked up by not persisting. 2j thought she was with her boyfriend but I also saw her being lead around with some big black dude so she might just have wanted to hook up with someone.
I had stopped her as she was walking by. I had been stopping a ton of moving sets but a lot of them I didn't do with enough intent. I clawed this girl in and was immediately face to face with her. She said she was getting a drink and I grabbed her hand and lead her to the bar. That bar was crowded and took forever. In retrospect, I should have taken her to the upstairs bar. I vibed with her by the bar but she really wanted to order a drink so she squeezed in. This meant a few minutes of not talking. I should have squeezed in next to her and kept taking to keep her buying temperature up.
She got the drink and she started walking back to her table. I was following and then I lost confidence. I should have lead her as soon as she got her drink so she didn't wander off.
Sometimes I might be too persistent:
At least I got to work some sets from last week that I felt like I held back in. I saw my tall redhead there again. I didn't realize it was her until I opened her. We vibed for a bit and then she had to go for a smoke and again invited me out there. She was talking to some bouncer outside. I didn't realize it was a bouncer until later in the set. When she was done smoking, I tried to lead her upstairs. I really was trying to be persistent but she wouldn't go and went to the bathroom.
Later, I saw her on the dance floor. She was by the stage and just dancing by her friend. She is tall and guys must be intimidated cause I saw no one trying to dance with her. I went over twice to no avail.
I also saw this Latina girl that I had a decently long set. I didn't get to work her that long today as she and her friends were trying to get the bouncer to let their friends in. I also didn't remember which set she was from till late in the set.
"Come here" "Go Away":
There was this short, chubby blonde Irish girl. I had worked her near the end of the night. She was into me but she wouldn't move upstairs. In retrospect, maybe I should have just kept talking to her by her friends instead of leaving. Well, I saw her outside at the end of the night. I opened her. Her friends were walking away so I asked her what she was doing for after hours.
She started to walk away. I pondered following and then she turned and said, "Come here." I went over and put my arm around her and then she told me to go away. WTF? 2j saw the whole thing and when I mentioned what happened he agreed that it was weird. He said she was just wasted.
Drunk girl on Division:
We went to Division and it was dead. This cute blonde came stumbling over and I did the Jeffy opener. I probably could have got a make out, but when she hugged me, she kept holding on tight and didn't let go for like 15-20 seconds. I'm thinking I should have said, "Give me a kiss" and she might have done it. 2j had met some natural friend of his on the street randomly. The girl was rude to him initially and he was giving her shit and of course she was starting to get attracted. 2j had told me that one of his natural friends would always steal sets. I wasn't sure this was the guy but I tried to bust him out.
I tried to this blonde even though I hadn't got the make out. It turns out she was with some tall dude who was babysitting her. The dude was just standing there and not saying anything. I couldn't get her to ditch him and she seemed like she was starting to lose interest in me as she was wandering off trying to go into the bars that were already closed.
Lessons:
I don't think I am ever too persistent. I wrote that as a section heading, but I think I need to always be like that. It's good practice for when I have a chance to pull. I don't know why I lost confidence with that blonde. If I had lead her like I like I tried to lead the redhead, then maybe something would have happened.
Overall, I was doing what I could and I just have to be happy that I got out and got more reference experiences.
Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Monday, July 25, 2011
Do you want to fool around with me and my friend?
I went out Saturday night to this bar I had never be to before as 2j and I had both gotten a text messages for the place. It was free vodka cocktails from 10pm-11pm. I figured you can't beat free drinks on a Saturday. I suppose I should be drinking less as now I have deals for every day of the week and I keep taking advantage of them. I told Vinny about the event as I was getting there. The place has a strict dress code. It seems like you have to have a button up shirt as Vinny couldn't get in with a collared polo shirt. 2j and I laughed about how we had to tuck our shirts in; I hadn't heard of a place doing that since about 2000-01. The place was busy after about twenty minutes. I got into a few longer sets but nothing panned out. We headed out to Division.
I grinded with some hot black girls at this one place. The surprised me cause they stopped dancing with me after less than a song. Usually, I do better than that. Vinny was out on Division so we met up with him briefly. 2j and I started working the streets. I found out he has a close really close to the bars there. I told him that we'll certainly be able to pull there often.
2j ended up leaving cause he said he was too tired. I decided to keep working street sets. It was around this time that I got a text from my FB asking me to pick her up. I still wanted to work street game. I stopped this chubby blonde. She seemed into me. I went for the kiss close but it was no go and then she left shortly after that.
"Do you want to fool around with me and my friend?"
I think I'm gonna post this part of the FR as I need to settle this issue I have so I don't sabotage myself in the future. I had crossed the street on Division. I saw these two black girls walking through the crowd. I stopped the one I thought was better looking: she seemed like mid to late 20's. She was thin, about my height and cute. I grabbed her arm and said Jeffy's, "Hey. You are amazing. I love you."
She had stopped walking. I told her to give me a hug and she said, "For real?" Then she hugged me. Her friend was still walking so she started to walk after we hugged. I grabbed her hand and started walking with her. The set seemed promising by the way she held my hand. She wasn't holding it like a dead fish, which was good, but she also wasn't holding it enthusiastically either. The friend walked into this pizza slice place that's open till after the bars close. I walked in with her still holding her hand.
I remember that some drunk black dude started trying to talk to her. She was waving him off. I was trying to get her attention from him. I think I used the hot pepper line I sometimes use. She turned to me and we were really close together. I think I might have asked her what she's doing after the bars. What I remember for sure was that she we were looking at each other and she asked, "Do you wanna fool around with me and my friend?"
Of course I did, but here's where things got screwed up in my head. I didn't want to seem too eager and I also wondered how this could be real. I thought about a set about a month ago where the girl asked me if we should get a hotel room and then I started to worry that maybe she was next gonna ask me to pay for sex. I think it's because this type of stuff has only started happening to me in the last few weeks. I also think about the stories where my friend "Fatty" gets approached by prostitutes up in Milwaukee.
I replied, "Maybe. Where you stay at?"
She said, "Suburbs."
I said, "Me too. I live by O'hare, let's go."
I know that answer is bad regardless. That seems farther than it really is and I've gotten shit tested with that in the past. I need to remember what Jeffy told me about just leading and not trying to "convince."
She said, "That's too far. Why do we just a hotel room? There's a place that's only 60 bucks a night."
Now, I really started to worry she might be a prostitute so I just started to fuck things up even more. I said, "It's only 10 minutes away. Come over and we'll have a pizza and watch a movie."
She objected, "I don't want to have a pizza." She said something else and just suddenly ran off.
What went wrong in my head:
I think I got ASD and I was protecting my ego. The whole point of doing late night street game outside the bars is to find some high buying temperature girl, escalate fast, make out and then try to pull. The two times when the girl basically agreed, I screwed up things because I started to worry she might be a prostitute. That's stupid.
I remember last time that I asked "Fatty" how the prostitutes act towards him when he gets off the bus. He says they come up all aggressively and say, "Hey, you wanna party?" Then they keep pestering him. He doesn't blow them off right away but just plays dumb cause he likes to hear what they are gonna say.
I didn't want to pay for a hotel room regardless. Still, I asked Fatty if I got the hotel room, would I have gotten laid or would they have thrown out a price at that point. He thinks I would have gotten laid. It makes sense. A hooker makes the price known early on.
Besides that, these girls didn't approach me. I approached them, and thinking back on it, the girl seemed surprised at the beginning that I was into her. Hookers would have approached me. Also, they would have starting asking me if I wanted to party. Fatty also asked me how they were dressed. These girls were dressed like normal girls that were out that night and their outfits were actually more conservative than some girls.
How it should have gone down:
I think when she asked if I wanted to fool around with her friend and her, I could have still said, "Maybe." I should have just grabbed her and started making out with her. Then, I should have said, "Let's go" and started leading her to my car. Assuming I get her there, I'd start driving to my place and I could just say that it wasn't too far. As I was meeting my FB that evening, another option would have been to go to my one parking lot that was nearby where I messed around with a girl two months ago.
Edit:
I'm making a forum post related to this. As I was thinking about that post, I realized that a quick way to figure things out would have been to start making out with the girl as soon as she said the post heading line.
I grinded with some hot black girls at this one place. The surprised me cause they stopped dancing with me after less than a song. Usually, I do better than that. Vinny was out on Division so we met up with him briefly. 2j and I started working the streets. I found out he has a close really close to the bars there. I told him that we'll certainly be able to pull there often.
2j ended up leaving cause he said he was too tired. I decided to keep working street sets. It was around this time that I got a text from my FB asking me to pick her up. I still wanted to work street game. I stopped this chubby blonde. She seemed into me. I went for the kiss close but it was no go and then she left shortly after that.
"Do you want to fool around with me and my friend?"
I think I'm gonna post this part of the FR as I need to settle this issue I have so I don't sabotage myself in the future. I had crossed the street on Division. I saw these two black girls walking through the crowd. I stopped the one I thought was better looking: she seemed like mid to late 20's. She was thin, about my height and cute. I grabbed her arm and said Jeffy's, "Hey. You are amazing. I love you."
She had stopped walking. I told her to give me a hug and she said, "For real?" Then she hugged me. Her friend was still walking so she started to walk after we hugged. I grabbed her hand and started walking with her. The set seemed promising by the way she held my hand. She wasn't holding it like a dead fish, which was good, but she also wasn't holding it enthusiastically either. The friend walked into this pizza slice place that's open till after the bars close. I walked in with her still holding her hand.
I remember that some drunk black dude started trying to talk to her. She was waving him off. I was trying to get her attention from him. I think I used the hot pepper line I sometimes use. She turned to me and we were really close together. I think I might have asked her what she's doing after the bars. What I remember for sure was that she we were looking at each other and she asked, "Do you wanna fool around with me and my friend?"
Of course I did, but here's where things got screwed up in my head. I didn't want to seem too eager and I also wondered how this could be real. I thought about a set about a month ago where the girl asked me if we should get a hotel room and then I started to worry that maybe she was next gonna ask me to pay for sex. I think it's because this type of stuff has only started happening to me in the last few weeks. I also think about the stories where my friend "Fatty" gets approached by prostitutes up in Milwaukee.
I replied, "Maybe. Where you stay at?"
She said, "Suburbs."
I said, "Me too. I live by O'hare, let's go."
I know that answer is bad regardless. That seems farther than it really is and I've gotten shit tested with that in the past. I need to remember what Jeffy told me about just leading and not trying to "convince."
She said, "That's too far. Why do we just a hotel room? There's a place that's only 60 bucks a night."
Now, I really started to worry she might be a prostitute so I just started to fuck things up even more. I said, "It's only 10 minutes away. Come over and we'll have a pizza and watch a movie."
She objected, "I don't want to have a pizza." She said something else and just suddenly ran off.
What went wrong in my head:
I think I got ASD and I was protecting my ego. The whole point of doing late night street game outside the bars is to find some high buying temperature girl, escalate fast, make out and then try to pull. The two times when the girl basically agreed, I screwed up things because I started to worry she might be a prostitute. That's stupid.
I remember last time that I asked "Fatty" how the prostitutes act towards him when he gets off the bus. He says they come up all aggressively and say, "Hey, you wanna party?" Then they keep pestering him. He doesn't blow them off right away but just plays dumb cause he likes to hear what they are gonna say.
I didn't want to pay for a hotel room regardless. Still, I asked Fatty if I got the hotel room, would I have gotten laid or would they have thrown out a price at that point. He thinks I would have gotten laid. It makes sense. A hooker makes the price known early on.
Besides that, these girls didn't approach me. I approached them, and thinking back on it, the girl seemed surprised at the beginning that I was into her. Hookers would have approached me. Also, they would have starting asking me if I wanted to party. Fatty also asked me how they were dressed. These girls were dressed like normal girls that were out that night and their outfits were actually more conservative than some girls.
How it should have gone down:
I think when she asked if I wanted to fool around with her friend and her, I could have still said, "Maybe." I should have just grabbed her and started making out with her. Then, I should have said, "Let's go" and started leading her to my car. Assuming I get her there, I'd start driving to my place and I could just say that it wasn't too far. As I was meeting my FB that evening, another option would have been to go to my one parking lot that was nearby where I messed around with a girl two months ago.
Edit:
I'm making a forum post related to this. As I was thinking about that post, I realized that a quick way to figure things out would have been to start making out with the girl as soon as she said the post heading line.
On and off FB
I was gonna make a post on here but I never got around to it about the FB situation. I knew she must have been banging some dude as she normally texts me at least once a week wanting to hook up. It didn't really bother me, but then I texted her about hanging out last week. She said that it probably wasn't a good idea to hang out because she said that we couldn't have sex anymore. She said she liked this guy and it didn't seem right to continue to hook up with me.
I got a surprise Saturday when she wanted me to pick her up on my way home from the clubs. That was cool as I worried for a bit that I wasn't gonna get any guaranteed sex for awhile. I didn't let it bother me too much cause I know that my game keeps improving.
I later found out that she had gone back to this loser guy she was hanging out with before. The thing is that I'm glad she's lusting over him and not me as I don't want a relationship anyway.
I got a surprise Saturday when she wanted me to pick her up on my way home from the clubs. That was cool as I worried for a bit that I wasn't gonna get any guaranteed sex for awhile. I didn't let it bother me too much cause I know that my game keeps improving.
I later found out that she had gone back to this loser guy she was hanging out with before. The thing is that I'm glad she's lusting over him and not me as I don't want a relationship anyway.
Saturday, July 23, 2011
High Standing Water & Quick kiss close
Tonight there was some heavy rain in the Chicago area. It took me over an hour to drive home at 4 in the morning as 290 (The Ike) was closed at Harlem. I drove surface streets and many viaducts were closed so I had to double back several times. The rain also meant there was no street game.
Tonight I met up with Raw and this guy I met through one of Seagull's buddy. I'll call this guy "Mitch." Mitch likes to get all fucked up but the dude is cool and occasionally he'll talk to girls. Raw didn't open anyone really. I didn't let it bother me as at least he didn't complain about it. I just went off and did my own thing and hung out with these guys in between sets.
I was opening sets nonstop. I was drunk so I was opening like crazy on the dance floor. Maybe my game was screwed up a bit because I was getting blown out nonstop. The longest set I probably had was a 5 minute set. For a few brief seconds, I thought about how it sucked, but it also reminded me of a night I had at Lion Head/The Apartment probably two months ago. All you can do is just keep taking action and that's what I did. I should note that apparently some girl flicked me off as my friends asked me about that while we were getting McDonald's in my car at the end of the night. I didn't even notice. I would hope that Raw would get inspired to approach from watching me. He has approach anxiety and because he's so nervous, girls will be nicer to him than they are to me when I'm opening aggressively.
I started the silly Jeffy openers early than usual. I got two different girls to stop and it seemed like I could fast escalate but both times a friend appeared and dragged the girl away.
Quick Kiss Close:
I think I might post about this. I don't think I'm doing the fast kiss close properly. I opened this black girl at the end of the night. Her friend was chatting with some bouncer and she was just standing there. I think I opened here by just introducing myself. I was up in here space right off the bat. About two minutes in, we're gazing into each others eyes and I felt like she was ready to be kissed. Now that I'm recognize that look, I just think about how many girls I could have kissed in the past. I realize now how many times I had been in kiss close territory in the past. Yeah, there were times that I recognized it and didn't take action, but I know now that there were times when I didn't even understand how fully it was on.
When I realized she was ready to be kissed, I started caressing the back of her neck with my hand. She moved my arm, so I backed off a little bit. Then I started talking again and moved slightly closer. I dominantly held her arm with my hand for a few seconds and then started stroking her arm. I moved my face closer and kissed her cheek. She hadn't turned but I had screwed up somehow. I kissed her cheek. I pulled my head back and then went to kiss her lips. She let me kiss her. I pulled back and kissed her again.
I think I'm pulling back too soon:
I know I'm supposed to break make outs first but I think I might be doing it too quickly. I pulled back so soon that we didn't even get to transition into make outs. The second time I pulled back, it was like she dropped buying temperature a bit and didn't want to kiss anymore. Her friend had gone into this VIP room and my girl was anxious to join her. She said she had to go but kept telling me to take her number. I tried to be alpha and say, "Let's go meet your friend." She said for me to take her number. I took her number and then I tried to lead her into the VIP room again. She resisted and told me to text her tomorrow. I told her I'd text her if she kissed me again and she did.
Ignore resistance:
I think this was one of those moments where I could have taken her to meet the friends. I want to pull and not get some number that will likely be flaky. When she resisted the move to the VIP section, I think I should have persisted more. I could have said, "Come on, you're being silly, let's go find your friend" and then pulled her into the VIP section. I could then proceed to win over the friend and then try to pull this girl.
Tonight I met up with Raw and this guy I met through one of Seagull's buddy. I'll call this guy "Mitch." Mitch likes to get all fucked up but the dude is cool and occasionally he'll talk to girls. Raw didn't open anyone really. I didn't let it bother me as at least he didn't complain about it. I just went off and did my own thing and hung out with these guys in between sets.
I was opening sets nonstop. I was drunk so I was opening like crazy on the dance floor. Maybe my game was screwed up a bit because I was getting blown out nonstop. The longest set I probably had was a 5 minute set. For a few brief seconds, I thought about how it sucked, but it also reminded me of a night I had at Lion Head/The Apartment probably two months ago. All you can do is just keep taking action and that's what I did. I should note that apparently some girl flicked me off as my friends asked me about that while we were getting McDonald's in my car at the end of the night. I didn't even notice. I would hope that Raw would get inspired to approach from watching me. He has approach anxiety and because he's so nervous, girls will be nicer to him than they are to me when I'm opening aggressively.
I started the silly Jeffy openers early than usual. I got two different girls to stop and it seemed like I could fast escalate but both times a friend appeared and dragged the girl away.
Quick Kiss Close:
I think I might post about this. I don't think I'm doing the fast kiss close properly. I opened this black girl at the end of the night. Her friend was chatting with some bouncer and she was just standing there. I think I opened here by just introducing myself. I was up in here space right off the bat. About two minutes in, we're gazing into each others eyes and I felt like she was ready to be kissed. Now that I'm recognize that look, I just think about how many girls I could have kissed in the past. I realize now how many times I had been in kiss close territory in the past. Yeah, there were times that I recognized it and didn't take action, but I know now that there were times when I didn't even understand how fully it was on.
When I realized she was ready to be kissed, I started caressing the back of her neck with my hand. She moved my arm, so I backed off a little bit. Then I started talking again and moved slightly closer. I dominantly held her arm with my hand for a few seconds and then started stroking her arm. I moved my face closer and kissed her cheek. She hadn't turned but I had screwed up somehow. I kissed her cheek. I pulled my head back and then went to kiss her lips. She let me kiss her. I pulled back and kissed her again.
I think I'm pulling back too soon:
I know I'm supposed to break make outs first but I think I might be doing it too quickly. I pulled back so soon that we didn't even get to transition into make outs. The second time I pulled back, it was like she dropped buying temperature a bit and didn't want to kiss anymore. Her friend had gone into this VIP room and my girl was anxious to join her. She said she had to go but kept telling me to take her number. I tried to be alpha and say, "Let's go meet your friend." She said for me to take her number. I took her number and then I tried to lead her into the VIP room again. She resisted and told me to text her tomorrow. I told her I'd text her if she kissed me again and she did.
Ignore resistance:
I think this was one of those moments where I could have taken her to meet the friends. I want to pull and not get some number that will likely be flaky. When she resisted the move to the VIP section, I think I should have persisted more. I could have said, "Come on, you're being silly, let's go find your friend" and then pulled her into the VIP section. I could then proceed to win over the friend and then try to pull this girl.
Friday, July 22, 2011
Street game, a football analogy, and two minutes to go in the game
With football in the news, a football analogy would be a good way to explain how my night went. If I were a football team, the team played well but just couldn't get there. Just before half time, the team had a great drive but just couldn't get in the end zone. The second half was much of the same with some good moments, but the real game changer almost happened at the very end of the game.
Street set that I almost had:
I had a blast on Division and it was just me at the end for street game. I actually ran into the perfect set. There was this cute blonde just standing by herself in front of Finn McCool's. I was a little out of state by this point. I opened her but for some stupid reason, I thought she might be with these guys about fifteen feet away. I opened less aggressively than I might have had I been in state. Still, the conversation was going well and I was starting to kino. In less than five minutes, I got that look from her that made me feel like the set had popped. When I see that look, I know it's time to set up the kiss close.
Just as I'm about to do it, the bouncer starts telling us that we need to move on. They always do that shit trying to get people to get moving as people like to loiter. In proper state, I would have just said, "Yeah" or ignored him and continued. The fucker picked a horrible time to interrupt the set and I let him. My initial reaction was to put my arm around her and say, "Let go over here." She walked with me for like three seconds and then her logic kicked in and she said, "I've waiting for my boyfriend over there." I knew she was full of shit cause she had said she was waiting for some friend who was with her in leg room. She was high buying temperature too.
To continue the football analogy, I'd say it was like we had a great two minute drive to win the game and then we got a bad ref call and then the team just broke down.
Interception opportunity & A girl fight:
Mystery used to use the opener "Did you see the girls fighting?" Once again, I saw two girls going at it. It was just around the corner from the cops on Dearbourne. The girls had been arguing in front of the cops earlier. They started to fight and the cops didn't realize what was going on till they saw all these people moving to get a look. The cops came and broke it up and then started trying to chase everyone away. I walked back towards the middle of Division as I was gonna take the alley to go by The Hang Up bar.
I had my interception opportunity to drive for a touchdown. The girl was still standing there. She was holding onto this light pole kinda of how a stripper might hold it. It was like she was leaning on it and her ass was sticking out. Some dude was standing in front of her talking to her. He was trying to sarge but he was standing like five feet away. At the time, I still felt uncomfortable as I had gotten busted out, but on the drive home, I knew the play.
The move was to approach her, get her attention by saying, "Hey, there you are!" Then I would have leaned into her ear and said the Jeffy BS and then told her to give me a hug. I'd give her an intent stare after we hugged and would have went for the kiss. I think there was a decent chance this would have worked as she looked like she wanted to hook up with someone. Instead, I kept walking.
FUCK! I had my state together for most of the night but I lost it right at the end when I had probably the best chance of the evening to make something happen.
Early gaming and an annoying AMOG:
I started the night at the Apartment with a beer tapper. I met Vinny there and then 2j showed up about a half hour later. I opened a bunch of sets. A few girls were interested for a bit but I never got any set to stick. Two times, there was a cockblock friend. One other time, there was this annoying black dude with these two French girls. I hate the AMOG's that tell me lies to try to bust me out. I started dancing with this French girl and then this dude tells me she's his wife when it obviously wasn't. I knew he was full of shit so even though he was motioning her to go towards him, I tugged on her arm and she actually started dancing with me again. Then the dude put her arm around her and she went over to him as she did know him.
That's fine, but then I ended up talking to the friend and the same fucker comes and pulls her away from me. It's obvious he's jealous and just trying to bust me out. He wouldn't even acknowledge or talk to me. I bitched to 2j about the AMOG. I actually opened those French girls several times just to fuck with the AMOG. One time, I almost got her isolated from him but then she said she had to wait for her friend (the guy). If I hadn't gotten distracted by opening other sets, I think the move would have been to tell her that her friend was creepy cause he wouldn't talk and kept acting jealous.
Half Time street game & Close venue change with 2 black girls:
I was running street game like a mad man. Vinny and 2j actually had a good point that I should stop high fiving. I admit I was doing it way to much and it doesn't make sets stop in the street. The girls often just high five and keep walking. These two black girls were walking towards us and I stopped them. I think I just stepped in front of the girl I liked and started talking to her.
Vinny was actually in top form for this set. Wednesday night, I think he was just tired and too drunk as he was quiet and low energy near the end. For this set, he was loud and when he came in, he did a great job of pumping up the set. He was so on that initially I was having troubling keep my target's attention off of him. Thinking about it now, it's not a bad thing to just let your wing take over the set.
AMOG's with physical game:
We had the girls hooked and we had begun to talk about venue changing. At the time, I didn't want to go to Max Bar cause of the cover and the long line. I wanted to move them to Big City Tap, but thinking about it, the cab ride would have cost me more than the cover to Max bar probably. Plus, Max Bar was certain to happen. Before we even could move them, though, Vinny made a slight mistake.
I was all up on my girl but Vinny left enough space between his girl so that these two black dudes came up and started working our set.
I gotta give the one guy credit. Before I could even say anything, he opened my girl and then lifted her up. He did the hug spin that I usually do and then he immediately lifted her up with his arms and was carrying her. Of course she loved it as girls love that shit. It's too bad I'm not strong enough to do that. It's the ultimate way to take over a set.
That AMOG just left:
The AMOG put the girl down. She walked to the other side of the friend. Another guy was talking to the friend and he was doing a good job holding her attention. Vinny was just standing there. I tell him that he's too passive sometimes and he admits it. He could have preempted any AMOG coming in by being up on the girl early on and he could have pulled this AMOG's attention off the guy if he hadn't just conceded and let the guy talk to her.
I wasn't about to give up. I had that internal moment that I write about when I'm faced with an AMOG situation. I don't really want to do it, but I compose myself in a second and then go in when called upon to bust out an AMOG. I was trying to get my target's attention first by just saying stuff in hear ear, but the AMOG had her RAS and she ignored me. I then put my arm around the dude and said, "Look at you man. You're like my little brother." As always, I say this with a smile and it's in a tone of voice like we're all having a good time. Then, as I was letting go, I used the TD line, "Nice shirt man, I had one just like it in high school." Then I backed off and stood by the girl. I said, "Okay man, let me see your move with these girls."
"I'm not gonna mess with you with this." I believe that was what he said. Whatever he said, the message was basically that he didn't want to deal with all this to work the girl so he just left. Now I grabbed my girl's hand and said, "Let's go to after hours." The girl wanted to go to Max Bar. I started leading her away and she grabbed the friend and the friend left the dude. Vinny finally came back and we walked towards Max Bar. My plan was to bitch about the line and then sell Big City tap. My girl was down and Vinny tried to get a cab.
Suddenly, my girl's logic kicked in and she said, "Cab, oh no. We're just gonna go to Max Bar and they ran off."
We probably could have went over to the Max Bar line and started working them again. 2j said it seemed promising for Vinny and I. He said we could probably hang with them till closing time and have a decent chance at pulling. I didn't want to pay the cover though I did want to go. The problem was Vinny wasn't too into it so even if I went over, I didn't feel like he'd really be trying.
I think if Vinny just fine tuned a few things, this set would have worked easier. It was a good job to call the cab, but he should have lead the friend over to the cab while he was getting the cab. Also, as I mentioned, he needed to get up on the girl and not let the AMOG's slip in and he needed to not just give up when the girls were focused on the AMOG's. Still, he did a great job at the beginning. Without a wing working the friend, I might not have gotten that far.
On the way to my car, we were talking about the set and Vinny said, "The guy's friend just walked away." I explained to him that the dude didn't just walk away. He left because I had busted him out with my AMOG lines. I took the time to tell him that it would be easier to bust the dudes out if I had a wing putting pressure at the same time I'm doing it.
Street opens probably lead to a pull for 2j:
We got to Division and I saw these three girls standing in front of one of the bars. The one that caught my eye was this tall, thin blonde, who ended up being Polish. I suggest we start with that set and we walked over. Vinny was the first to get to them. I was behind him and 2j was behind me. Vinny opened them by introducing himself. I followed suit and so did 2j. I immediately started talking to the tall blonde. Vinny worked the blonde on the left, and 2j worked this brunette on the right.
It seemed to be going well with the tall girl. We were vibing and sexual tension was building through the eye contact. I was getting closer and closer. She made a comment about, "You are very close." I backed off for a bit. It was weird, I responded, but then I knew that it was sort of a shit test. She was enjoying the interaction and didn't want me to leave. I think I could have backed off like I did, but I should have kept talking as I did it instead of pausing and turning it into like a 5 seconds moment of silence.
Vinny's girl ended up walking instead. My girl then decided to do it after like 5 seconds. I think I should have just kept plowing and I could have kept her out there. I didn't want to follow her right in when she said she was going in. I think when I saw the friend starting to go in, I should have grabbed my girl's hand and say, "Let's go inside." I knew it was on for 2j when his girl didn't want to go inside.
I went in a few minutes later and just go on the dance floor. I figured the girls might venture out there and it would be cool for me to be already out there. I danced two songs and then went to look for them. I found 2j seated with his girl. There was another brunette in the set. Some dude was talking to Vinny's blonde and some dude was talking to my girl. I just went in and started talking in my blonde's ear while the dude was talking to her. I pull attention off of him.
The interaction was not the same as it was outside, though. I kept trying to get her to dance with me. Maybe I should have just kept vibing instead. She was talking with the friends and I danced by myself for about 30 seconds. I approached her again and tried to take her to the dance floor and she said, "Actually, I'm leaving."
I thought about going for the number close but I figured if she gave it to me, it would probably be a flake as I had lost momentum. Maybe I should have gone for it anyway.
Street set that I almost had:
I had a blast on Division and it was just me at the end for street game. I actually ran into the perfect set. There was this cute blonde just standing by herself in front of Finn McCool's. I was a little out of state by this point. I opened her but for some stupid reason, I thought she might be with these guys about fifteen feet away. I opened less aggressively than I might have had I been in state. Still, the conversation was going well and I was starting to kino. In less than five minutes, I got that look from her that made me feel like the set had popped. When I see that look, I know it's time to set up the kiss close.
Just as I'm about to do it, the bouncer starts telling us that we need to move on. They always do that shit trying to get people to get moving as people like to loiter. In proper state, I would have just said, "Yeah" or ignored him and continued. The fucker picked a horrible time to interrupt the set and I let him. My initial reaction was to put my arm around her and say, "Let go over here." She walked with me for like three seconds and then her logic kicked in and she said, "I've waiting for my boyfriend over there." I knew she was full of shit cause she had said she was waiting for some friend who was with her in leg room. She was high buying temperature too.
To continue the football analogy, I'd say it was like we had a great two minute drive to win the game and then we got a bad ref call and then the team just broke down.
Interception opportunity & A girl fight:
Mystery used to use the opener "Did you see the girls fighting?" Once again, I saw two girls going at it. It was just around the corner from the cops on Dearbourne. The girls had been arguing in front of the cops earlier. They started to fight and the cops didn't realize what was going on till they saw all these people moving to get a look. The cops came and broke it up and then started trying to chase everyone away. I walked back towards the middle of Division as I was gonna take the alley to go by The Hang Up bar.
I had my interception opportunity to drive for a touchdown. The girl was still standing there. She was holding onto this light pole kinda of how a stripper might hold it. It was like she was leaning on it and her ass was sticking out. Some dude was standing in front of her talking to her. He was trying to sarge but he was standing like five feet away. At the time, I still felt uncomfortable as I had gotten busted out, but on the drive home, I knew the play.
The move was to approach her, get her attention by saying, "Hey, there you are!" Then I would have leaned into her ear and said the Jeffy BS and then told her to give me a hug. I'd give her an intent stare after we hugged and would have went for the kiss. I think there was a decent chance this would have worked as she looked like she wanted to hook up with someone. Instead, I kept walking.
FUCK! I had my state together for most of the night but I lost it right at the end when I had probably the best chance of the evening to make something happen.
Early gaming and an annoying AMOG:
I started the night at the Apartment with a beer tapper. I met Vinny there and then 2j showed up about a half hour later. I opened a bunch of sets. A few girls were interested for a bit but I never got any set to stick. Two times, there was a cockblock friend. One other time, there was this annoying black dude with these two French girls. I hate the AMOG's that tell me lies to try to bust me out. I started dancing with this French girl and then this dude tells me she's his wife when it obviously wasn't. I knew he was full of shit so even though he was motioning her to go towards him, I tugged on her arm and she actually started dancing with me again. Then the dude put her arm around her and she went over to him as she did know him.
That's fine, but then I ended up talking to the friend and the same fucker comes and pulls her away from me. It's obvious he's jealous and just trying to bust me out. He wouldn't even acknowledge or talk to me. I bitched to 2j about the AMOG. I actually opened those French girls several times just to fuck with the AMOG. One time, I almost got her isolated from him but then she said she had to wait for her friend (the guy). If I hadn't gotten distracted by opening other sets, I think the move would have been to tell her that her friend was creepy cause he wouldn't talk and kept acting jealous.
Half Time street game & Close venue change with 2 black girls:
I was running street game like a mad man. Vinny and 2j actually had a good point that I should stop high fiving. I admit I was doing it way to much and it doesn't make sets stop in the street. The girls often just high five and keep walking. These two black girls were walking towards us and I stopped them. I think I just stepped in front of the girl I liked and started talking to her.
Vinny was actually in top form for this set. Wednesday night, I think he was just tired and too drunk as he was quiet and low energy near the end. For this set, he was loud and when he came in, he did a great job of pumping up the set. He was so on that initially I was having troubling keep my target's attention off of him. Thinking about it now, it's not a bad thing to just let your wing take over the set.
AMOG's with physical game:
We had the girls hooked and we had begun to talk about venue changing. At the time, I didn't want to go to Max Bar cause of the cover and the long line. I wanted to move them to Big City Tap, but thinking about it, the cab ride would have cost me more than the cover to Max bar probably. Plus, Max Bar was certain to happen. Before we even could move them, though, Vinny made a slight mistake.
I was all up on my girl but Vinny left enough space between his girl so that these two black dudes came up and started working our set.
I gotta give the one guy credit. Before I could even say anything, he opened my girl and then lifted her up. He did the hug spin that I usually do and then he immediately lifted her up with his arms and was carrying her. Of course she loved it as girls love that shit. It's too bad I'm not strong enough to do that. It's the ultimate way to take over a set.
That AMOG just left:
The AMOG put the girl down. She walked to the other side of the friend. Another guy was talking to the friend and he was doing a good job holding her attention. Vinny was just standing there. I tell him that he's too passive sometimes and he admits it. He could have preempted any AMOG coming in by being up on the girl early on and he could have pulled this AMOG's attention off the guy if he hadn't just conceded and let the guy talk to her.
I wasn't about to give up. I had that internal moment that I write about when I'm faced with an AMOG situation. I don't really want to do it, but I compose myself in a second and then go in when called upon to bust out an AMOG. I was trying to get my target's attention first by just saying stuff in hear ear, but the AMOG had her RAS and she ignored me. I then put my arm around the dude and said, "Look at you man. You're like my little brother." As always, I say this with a smile and it's in a tone of voice like we're all having a good time. Then, as I was letting go, I used the TD line, "Nice shirt man, I had one just like it in high school." Then I backed off and stood by the girl. I said, "Okay man, let me see your move with these girls."
"I'm not gonna mess with you with this." I believe that was what he said. Whatever he said, the message was basically that he didn't want to deal with all this to work the girl so he just left. Now I grabbed my girl's hand and said, "Let's go to after hours." The girl wanted to go to Max Bar. I started leading her away and she grabbed the friend and the friend left the dude. Vinny finally came back and we walked towards Max Bar. My plan was to bitch about the line and then sell Big City tap. My girl was down and Vinny tried to get a cab.
Suddenly, my girl's logic kicked in and she said, "Cab, oh no. We're just gonna go to Max Bar and they ran off."
We probably could have went over to the Max Bar line and started working them again. 2j said it seemed promising for Vinny and I. He said we could probably hang with them till closing time and have a decent chance at pulling. I didn't want to pay the cover though I did want to go. The problem was Vinny wasn't too into it so even if I went over, I didn't feel like he'd really be trying.
I think if Vinny just fine tuned a few things, this set would have worked easier. It was a good job to call the cab, but he should have lead the friend over to the cab while he was getting the cab. Also, as I mentioned, he needed to get up on the girl and not let the AMOG's slip in and he needed to not just give up when the girls were focused on the AMOG's. Still, he did a great job at the beginning. Without a wing working the friend, I might not have gotten that far.
On the way to my car, we were talking about the set and Vinny said, "The guy's friend just walked away." I explained to him that the dude didn't just walk away. He left because I had busted him out with my AMOG lines. I took the time to tell him that it would be easier to bust the dudes out if I had a wing putting pressure at the same time I'm doing it.
Street opens probably lead to a pull for 2j:
We got to Division and I saw these three girls standing in front of one of the bars. The one that caught my eye was this tall, thin blonde, who ended up being Polish. I suggest we start with that set and we walked over. Vinny was the first to get to them. I was behind him and 2j was behind me. Vinny opened them by introducing himself. I followed suit and so did 2j. I immediately started talking to the tall blonde. Vinny worked the blonde on the left, and 2j worked this brunette on the right.
It seemed to be going well with the tall girl. We were vibing and sexual tension was building through the eye contact. I was getting closer and closer. She made a comment about, "You are very close." I backed off for a bit. It was weird, I responded, but then I knew that it was sort of a shit test. She was enjoying the interaction and didn't want me to leave. I think I could have backed off like I did, but I should have kept talking as I did it instead of pausing and turning it into like a 5 seconds moment of silence.
Vinny's girl ended up walking instead. My girl then decided to do it after like 5 seconds. I think I should have just kept plowing and I could have kept her out there. I didn't want to follow her right in when she said she was going in. I think when I saw the friend starting to go in, I should have grabbed my girl's hand and say, "Let's go inside." I knew it was on for 2j when his girl didn't want to go inside.
I went in a few minutes later and just go on the dance floor. I figured the girls might venture out there and it would be cool for me to be already out there. I danced two songs and then went to look for them. I found 2j seated with his girl. There was another brunette in the set. Some dude was talking to Vinny's blonde and some dude was talking to my girl. I just went in and started talking in my blonde's ear while the dude was talking to her. I pull attention off of him.
The interaction was not the same as it was outside, though. I kept trying to get her to dance with me. Maybe I should have just kept vibing instead. She was talking with the friends and I danced by myself for about 30 seconds. I approached her again and tried to take her to the dance floor and she said, "Actually, I'm leaving."
I thought about going for the number close but I figured if she gave it to me, it would probably be a flake as I had lost momentum. Maybe I should have gone for it anyway.
Thursday, July 21, 2011
Looked cool on the dance floor but I could have done better
As aspiring PUA's, we often are guilty of focusing too much on our sticking points. It's a good thing to figure out where you need to improve, and that's why I write this blog every night. When you know what you need to work on, you can make sure you do those things better the next time. What even worse, though, is focusing on something like not pulling that night. I have to keep fighting that battle as every night I go home without pulling I feel disappointed. Pulling is often relies on factors out of your control: like a girl you probably could pull on another night horrible logistics (has to drive her friends home). Other times, you might really hit it off with a girl, but she's so into her boyfriend that you can't hook up with her.
Tonight, I had fun and I have to admit that some of the things that happen to me, I never would have imagined could happen to me. I should focus on some of the cool things that happen tonight and remember how every night is so much cooler than how things used to be even compared to just a few months ago. Still, tonight, there are a few things I could have done better.
I was cool on the dance floor:
As I've written before, I used to be terrified of the dance floor. Well, originally I was just afraid of being in the bar or club in general. Gradually, after going out, I started to get more comfortable with being in the environment and talking to girls. It wasn't until last year that I became comfortable with just being on the dance floor in general. This year has been a complete breakthrough. Early on, I was just dancing on the dance floor whether it was full or by myself. I kept wanting to open sets and I really struggled to push myself to do it. Yeah, I could open verbally, but I wanted to become comfortable just opening girls using dance floor game. After struggling with that, I slowly became more comfortable doing it. Simultaneously, I was working on actually dancing with girls on the dance floor. I used to be really awkward, but I do a much better job now, and now it's actually a decent tool. If I can isolate a girl that's into me on the dance floor, I can go for the make out.
I still struggle to be completely carefree on the dance floor, but I'm at a point where I never would have expected to be. For example, last Saturday, I got into that deep set from opening on the dance floor and then spending the majority of my time on the dance floor.
Tonight wasn't as awesome. We went to this after hours place that we had never been to before because a bunch of people were talking about it when our usual place closed. I didn't want to go at first, but Vinny had a good point that we'll be on Division Thurs,Fri, and Sat so we should try a new place. When we got there, the dance floor area had a guy and two girls dancing. I quickly got on there and just started dancing by myself. This tall girl I had opened before started dancing with me. She was just having fun and she wouldn't let me escalate.
Later, there were these 3 tall Irish chicks and two of them were really hot. I liked the blonde even though her face was that cute. I just started dancing near them. I really have fun just being out there, especially when the DJ is playing songs I recognize and like. While I was out there, this 4 set came on the dance floor and I was dancing in a circle by them. (BTW, this is where I still struggle. I think ideally, I would have gotten past the circle dancing right away and just started dancing with all the girls. Maybe I should work on that Thursday.)
What surprised me is that I could see the tall girls looking at me. It makes sense according to the old MM theory of social proof. Still, it amuses me that I can command attention on the dance floor, especially cause I'm overweight and wearing my glasses. Of course, this is just proof that if you do things right, looks and how you dress don't really matter. I started to dance with one of the tall girls. The tall blonde that I liked immediately wanted to take pictures of the girl and I. I ended up being in four pictures with them. Soon, the blonde was back on the dance floor and I spun her around and just danced near her.
I went back to dancing by myself and then the blonde like came up and started aggressively dancing with me. I had seen the initial girl and the blonde whispering to each other out of the corner of my eye before this happened. I guess the blonde was attracted and the friend pushed her to start escalating on me. I enjoyed that.
I gotta say that dancing with tall girls is different than short girls or girls my height. I haven't had that much experience with it other than the wild Estonia girl a few months back that was grinding with every one at Cadillac Ranch. I'm starting to enjoy dancing with short girls the best as when I'm facing them, it's easier to escalate. My legs also end up being the right height to put pressure on their crotch as well. Grinding with the tall girl was a bit awkward, and maybe that's why she pulled off after about 30 seconds. I talked to her later and mentioned Division and she ended up saying her boyfriend works at one of those bars.
Where I went wrong in this set is that three guys showed up that they knew. The guys were just friends and were dancing by them. I shied away a bit from the girls. Then Vinny wanted to go home and I just took the easy way out, I suppose and left. I think I could have kept working on these three girls in spite of the guys and tried to escalate more.
Another Tall Blonde:
There was this tall blonde that was just an inch or two taller than me earlier in the night. I opened her and we were having a cool conversation about travel as she had just been on this long vacation to Australia. I got screwed because some guy she hadn't seen for awhile walked by and she got all excited to see him. She hugged him and they talked for like 5 minutes and then she was back in this mixed set that I had seen her in earlier.
My mistake here is that I should have approached her again. I guess I just didn't feel the right entitlement to this girl by virtue of her being tall, plus tonight, I was left comfortable dealing with guys than I usually am. The silly thing is I approached a ton of others girls multiple times that were less exciting or possibly interested in me than this girl was.
Chubby girl and working the less difficult target
I opened this 2-set and asked Vinny to help me. He started talking to the redhead and I took the easy way out and talked to the chubby girl. It's somewhat annoying because I specifically told him to talk to the chubby girl for me. To be fair, he wasn't even really winging until I forced him to. The girls were at the corner of the bar and he was next to them on the bend sitting. When I opened the girls, they had their attention on me and I could have kept it on me. I wanted help so I pointed out Vinny and pulled him into the set. Vinny talked to the redhead a bit but he never really worked her that much. Besides, I could easily pull her attention off of him if I really wanted.
Perhaps, that's a sticking point. I'll sometimes just talk to the less attractive girl as a cop out when the wing starts talking to her. The chubby girl was somewhat cute and we had a good conversation. She was responding well to my kino.
Should have isolated and closed:
As I said, I was kino escalating and she was responding positively. There was this moment when the redhead whispered in her friend's ear and then disappeared. I thought she was going to sign up for karaoke but I think she went to the bathroom. In my head, I immediately thought, "I'm getting isolation here, possibly on purpose."
I moved a little closer to her and upped the kino a bit but I didn't really move towards the kiss close even though I was thinking about it at the time. I guess this is how Seagull says he feels sometimes. I thought I could do it but told myself that I didn't really want it.
That's bullshit though. Maybe I wasn't totally attracted, but I would have hooked up with her. I've hooked up with even larger girls. As I was commiserating with myself on the ride home about how I didn't have any make out moments last night, I thought about this set. I should have went for it and would have felt better if I had. In addition, I could have built momentum that could have lead to more kiss closes later.
My failure was a lapse in judgment. Unless you're getting a ton of sex, I think if you would do a girl, you should escalate. I also think it's worth practicing escalation and pulling if the girl is receptive even if you are not really attracted. At this stage, Seagull and I don't get that many mid to late game sets. We should be getting practice anyway we can.
The chubby girl had to go home early as she had to get up for work the next day. Again, I saw the opportunity. I knew I could have number closed her but I told myself that I didn't really want it. Part of it I'm just sick of dealing with number closes. I should have taken it here because she might have been more responsive than other girls. Besides, I should farm some newer numbers so I can practice text game and get better at it. Manwhore said that his tight text games gets him a lot of lays that he wouldn't otherwise get. SNL/Pull game is what I'm working on but I'd get laid more if I could figure out text game.
I should note that I don't even farm that many numbers. I only take a girl if we really discover a commonality that we both would be interested in meeting up again and doing or if I make out with the girl. I want to focus on pulling and SNL's so I push any given set as far as I can that night.
Focus for next time:
I feel better now that I devoted some space to the good things that happened tonight. I briefly touched on the sticking points. In the next few days, I'm gonna try to be even more confident on the dance floor. That means no choding around in the dance circle when I know I should be dancing and spinning with all the girls in the set. I also should have been more dominant with the tall girls. It's like I was happy with what was happening and didn't want to push more than I had.
I also need to never give that "I don't really want this set" BS justification that I used tonight. If the girl isn't that attractive, that's even more of a reason to escalate quickly. With those girls, I should escalate fast to see if they are DTF so I don't waste a ton of time with them.
Finally, I need to make sure I approach certain sets that were going well again. I do this, for the most part, but Tues and Wed, there were sets that I chickened out of entering again and that is a mistake.
Wednesday, July 20, 2011
A fun night but missed a possible quick makeout due to misreading token resistance
I had a good streak going so I was hoping my night would be more exciting that it turned out. Every night I want to get at least a make out so I can practice more later game stuff, but I shouldn't expect that every time. At least I don't let it hurt my momentum like I would in the past.
Isolation:
I practiced some isolation moves which is a good thing. I neglected going for the isolation in the past and I need to be good at it cause it's essential for the pull. It started in my first set. I opened this 3-set and somehow I ended up talking to this fatty, but she and I did get along. Unfortunately, she had a boyfriend. I kept trying to get her to come outside with me or go to the dance floor, but no dice. I could tell she liked me though, and I was even holding her hand till it popped into her head that she shouldn't do that with a guy that's not her boyfriend.
I got isolation with this tall redhead but then I ended up losing the set later. I kept trying to open her again when she walked by but to no avail. My best chance to try again was when I saw her on the dance floor. I kept tapping her shoulder but she might not have known it was me. I could have been a bit more persistent, but oh well.
Dance floor game:
I work dance floor game a lot more often now. I think I sometimes used it as a crutch. It's like there's less bullshit. You open, start dancing, and if the girl is into you, you start grinding. I know how to try to move towards the kiss close, so there's that possibility, or I can move her off the dance floor to run my verbal. I was doing well with this cute little black girl. I saw her again and my wing (this guy from the RSD forums. I have to look up his screen name) occupied the friend. Later on, I saw her by the bar and I don't know why I didn't try again.
Beating the AMOG:
I opened this chubby Latina girl near the dance floor late in the night. It was going okay. Two friends showed up and I danced with them a little. Somehow, this tall fat dude started dancing with her cause I had stopped dancing close to her for a min or so. One of his friends started dancing with one of the friends. The funny thing is that I was left with probably the best looking one out of the three but I wanted to work on the original girl.
The guy had his arm around her and was trying to get him to go over to meet his friends (and to get her away from me.) You see, he had been grinding on her from behind, and when I saw this, I grabbed her hands and starting dancing up on her. Then, I spun her away from him.
I should be proud that I win most of these battles now. He was speaking to her and I could hear him saying, "Come over here and meet my friends." She wanted to but at the same time, I was holding her hand and plowing her with stuff in the other ear. I kept saying, "Let's go over to the bar" and tugging on her arm. I was putting a little pressure, but not enough to cause pain. After about 30 seconds of both guys saying stuff in each ear, she peeled away from him, and I got her to the bar.
Somehow I screwed it up at the bar. I think I somehow was standing too far from her. I should have been up on her and trying to escalate as I talked to her. I mentioned hanging out after the place closed, but as I did that, I realized it probably would be better to mention that after I made out with her. She said she had to get back to her friends. I guess I could have followed her but I felt defeated.
Later, I hate to admit that I avoided that part of the dance floor. I should have gone in and tried to escalate again, especially at the end. I was afraid I was gonna see that fat AMOG all up on her and I was worried I'd let myself feel even more defeated.
Close to an quick make out:
I was doing the Jeffy line silliness for the last half hour. I was getting blown out more often than usual. At the very end, I saw this cute, thing blonde walking in my direction. I stopped her. I told her to give me a hug and she said, "Okay, I'll give you a hug." She wasn't too enthusiastic, so I didn't go for the kiss right there. I pulled back slightly, but I started holding her hand. I was trying to sell an after party. We were gazing into each others eyes. I decided to go for the kiss. She said, "No" as I started to move my head forward.
On the ride home, I thought about that moment. Manwhore has talked about how you have to tell the difference between token and real resistance. Girls sometimes put up fake, token resistance. They do it to test if you are a real man and also because throwing up some resistance let's them feel like they have to submit and be dominated, which turns them on. Obviously, this is a fine line. You have to know when to stop too.
That was fake resistance:
I thought about sets where I've gone for the kiss and got rejected. There was something different about this girl. She said, "No" meekly, but she was still holding eye contact and she didn't move her head at all. I think the move was to say, "Shh" and possibly put my index finger in that "Quiet" sign in front of her mouth. I would have kept moving my lips towards hers and then moved my finger to kiss her. I think there was a good chance she wouldn't have resisted. If I somehow read it wrong, she still would have been able to move or turn her head so it wouldn't be like I was forcing her to kiss me.
I read the situation this way now as I have plenty of experience with girls not wanting to kiss me. Now that I've been going for quick make outs too, I know what that looks like. Girls will move their face or turn it as soon as they see my face moving closer to them. I've also had girls put their hand in front of face or put their hand on my chest and push me away gently.
She ended up running off about 30 seconds after I went for the kiss. I think if I had pushed through the token resistance, she would have allowed the kiss and then I could have really tried to pull.
No Division:
When I got in my car it was 3am. I could have driven to Division but I figured it would be slow. Maybe I should have done it cause I might have been able to get a pull or make out with the late night sets. There's always Wed-Sat though. I know I'll build momentum from Tuesday and maybe something really cool will happen soon.
Isolation:
I practiced some isolation moves which is a good thing. I neglected going for the isolation in the past and I need to be good at it cause it's essential for the pull. It started in my first set. I opened this 3-set and somehow I ended up talking to this fatty, but she and I did get along. Unfortunately, she had a boyfriend. I kept trying to get her to come outside with me or go to the dance floor, but no dice. I could tell she liked me though, and I was even holding her hand till it popped into her head that she shouldn't do that with a guy that's not her boyfriend.
I got isolation with this tall redhead but then I ended up losing the set later. I kept trying to open her again when she walked by but to no avail. My best chance to try again was when I saw her on the dance floor. I kept tapping her shoulder but she might not have known it was me. I could have been a bit more persistent, but oh well.
Dance floor game:
I work dance floor game a lot more often now. I think I sometimes used it as a crutch. It's like there's less bullshit. You open, start dancing, and if the girl is into you, you start grinding. I know how to try to move towards the kiss close, so there's that possibility, or I can move her off the dance floor to run my verbal. I was doing well with this cute little black girl. I saw her again and my wing (this guy from the RSD forums. I have to look up his screen name) occupied the friend. Later on, I saw her by the bar and I don't know why I didn't try again.
Beating the AMOG:
I opened this chubby Latina girl near the dance floor late in the night. It was going okay. Two friends showed up and I danced with them a little. Somehow, this tall fat dude started dancing with her cause I had stopped dancing close to her for a min or so. One of his friends started dancing with one of the friends. The funny thing is that I was left with probably the best looking one out of the three but I wanted to work on the original girl.
The guy had his arm around her and was trying to get him to go over to meet his friends (and to get her away from me.) You see, he had been grinding on her from behind, and when I saw this, I grabbed her hands and starting dancing up on her. Then, I spun her away from him.
I should be proud that I win most of these battles now. He was speaking to her and I could hear him saying, "Come over here and meet my friends." She wanted to but at the same time, I was holding her hand and plowing her with stuff in the other ear. I kept saying, "Let's go over to the bar" and tugging on her arm. I was putting a little pressure, but not enough to cause pain. After about 30 seconds of both guys saying stuff in each ear, she peeled away from him, and I got her to the bar.
Somehow I screwed it up at the bar. I think I somehow was standing too far from her. I should have been up on her and trying to escalate as I talked to her. I mentioned hanging out after the place closed, but as I did that, I realized it probably would be better to mention that after I made out with her. She said she had to get back to her friends. I guess I could have followed her but I felt defeated.
Later, I hate to admit that I avoided that part of the dance floor. I should have gone in and tried to escalate again, especially at the end. I was afraid I was gonna see that fat AMOG all up on her and I was worried I'd let myself feel even more defeated.
Close to an quick make out:
I was doing the Jeffy line silliness for the last half hour. I was getting blown out more often than usual. At the very end, I saw this cute, thing blonde walking in my direction. I stopped her. I told her to give me a hug and she said, "Okay, I'll give you a hug." She wasn't too enthusiastic, so I didn't go for the kiss right there. I pulled back slightly, but I started holding her hand. I was trying to sell an after party. We were gazing into each others eyes. I decided to go for the kiss. She said, "No" as I started to move my head forward.
On the ride home, I thought about that moment. Manwhore has talked about how you have to tell the difference between token and real resistance. Girls sometimes put up fake, token resistance. They do it to test if you are a real man and also because throwing up some resistance let's them feel like they have to submit and be dominated, which turns them on. Obviously, this is a fine line. You have to know when to stop too.
That was fake resistance:
I thought about sets where I've gone for the kiss and got rejected. There was something different about this girl. She said, "No" meekly, but she was still holding eye contact and she didn't move her head at all. I think the move was to say, "Shh" and possibly put my index finger in that "Quiet" sign in front of her mouth. I would have kept moving my lips towards hers and then moved my finger to kiss her. I think there was a good chance she wouldn't have resisted. If I somehow read it wrong, she still would have been able to move or turn her head so it wouldn't be like I was forcing her to kiss me.
I read the situation this way now as I have plenty of experience with girls not wanting to kiss me. Now that I've been going for quick make outs too, I know what that looks like. Girls will move their face or turn it as soon as they see my face moving closer to them. I've also had girls put their hand in front of face or put their hand on my chest and push me away gently.
She ended up running off about 30 seconds after I went for the kiss. I think if I had pushed through the token resistance, she would have allowed the kiss and then I could have really tried to pull.
No Division:
When I got in my car it was 3am. I could have driven to Division but I figured it would be slow. Maybe I should have done it cause I might have been able to get a pull or make out with the late night sets. There's always Wed-Sat though. I know I'll build momentum from Tuesday and maybe something really cool will happen soon.
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